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Your right about that for sure.
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HOLY SPIRIT! WHO IS IT RESTING UPON TODAY?
by Bill Parker inholy spirit!
who is it resting upon today?.
does it support the idea that the various publications of this particular religious body are needed to teach the bible?
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HOLY SPIRIT! WHO IS IT RESTING UPON TODAY?
by Bill Parker inholy spirit!
who is it resting upon today?.
does it support the idea that the various publications of this particular religious body are needed to teach the bible?
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Evilchicken:
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HOLY SPIRIT! WHO IS IT RESTING UPON TODAY?
by Bill Parker inholy spirit!
who is it resting upon today?.
does it support the idea that the various publications of this particular religious body are needed to teach the bible?
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Bill Parker
HOLY SPIRIT! WHO IS IT RESTING UPON TODAY?
Is the Holy Spirit confined to just one group of individuals today, to the exclusion of all others? Must all submit to an organization that claims that they are the only ones who have been anointed with that spirit? That they are the only ones who understand and can teach the Bible, that outside of that arrangement no one can learn the Bible. That “we must listen to them as though we were listening to the voice of God.” When one weighs those statements with the Bible what final conclusion about the organization that makes that claim can be drawn?
Was the Holy Spirit a possession of only the followers of Christ in the first century? Was the Holy Spirit confined to a tight knit body of believers back then?
Notice the following statement taken from the January 7th 1973 Watchtower page 402. … “Jehovah’s organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God’s holy spirit or active force.” Then it says: “Under the influence of Gods holy spirit, you can share in this grand work of finding, welcoming and educating those who will become fellow praisers of Jehovah.”
So we see from this that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses are the only ones with the Holy Spirit on them. According to their own statements. They are the ones doing the teaching through their various publications. The Watchtower being their” principle teaching instrument”. Those they instruct in turn teach others using the Society’s publications.
Now we know from scripture that through the laying on of the hands the gifts of the spirit were imparted to others. Since those gifts were done away with, by what means did the governing body receive that gift today? If indeed they did receive it? Of necessity it would have had to be poured out only on them. Does the Bible support that idea? Does it support the idea that the various publications of this particular religious body are needed to teach the Bible? That there is no other way to learn the Bible? We will see that, that is not true!
The Apostle Peter showed clearly by his discourse in Acts 2: 1 – 21 that the Holy Spirit at that time was poured out on all flesh. He quoted from Joel 2: 28, 29. That was true at that time. Anyone who wished could receive that Spirit at that time. But the prophecy in Joel pointed ahead to the last days of this system of things. IT would be poured out on all mankind, not just a few men gathered together in Brooklyn New York, and not just on various religious organizations. All mankind was now included, the entire world over.
Acts 3; 19; 26:20 Show what first must be done in order to receive that Holy Spirit. Once that is accomplished the real principle teaching instrument begins to take over. That coupled with the Bible which contains the inspired messages of God; and is” beneficial for teaching for reproving for setting things straight” one begins to take in accurate knowledge. {2 Timothy 3: 16}
In 1 Timothy 4:15 the Apostle Paul made it very clear what teaching instrument to use in order for one to become fully versed in scripture. He never directed attention to his or anyone else’s scriptural reasoning’s. This “Faithful Slave” directed attention to only the Bible. Students were to meditate and ponder over that book alone. {John 14:26}
As they did that Jehovah would put His” law within them”. He would “write it on their hearts”. This is something no man can do. All the messenger can do is deliver the message. Nothing more. {Jeremiah 31-34.} Verse 34 shows clearly that the teaching in the first century, as is today, is done by no man.
It will be in the finale as Isaiah 54:13 stated; “and all your sons will be persons taught by Jehovah” … {Zechariah 4:6}
There are two anointing’s today. One is for the heavenly calling, those Jehovah selected for that honor to reign with His Son. The others for life on this earth. But all would be taught by Him. They needed no man to teach them. {1 John 2: 27} None of the publications set forth by any religious body today are needed to learn the truth.
None of them have Jehovah’s Spirit on them for teaching. Not one single one!
Examine the one hundred year’s of the failed prophecies of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Examine the every changing teachings. It all clearly shows that Jehovah’s Spirit is not there to do teaching. They will not allow it to be there. Those who may possess this Spirit among them are told that they are “independent thinkers.” These are quickly gotten rid of. If it were, there would have been no failed prophecies, no changing teachings. No incorrect interpretations of scripture are even possible. {1 John 2: 21} {Titus 1: 2} Hebrews 6: 18}The Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-12 foretold a composite man of Lawlessness who would” seat himself in the Temple of God professing himself to be God” … Jesus also foretold a religion on the earth in our time period that would be teaching so close to the truth they would “mislead if possible even the chosen one’s” … {Matthew 24: 24}
The only religious body on this earth right now that fits those descriptions is the Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses.
Try as anyone might to explain it away it cannot be done. They are a self exalted, self appointed body of men. So they must be brought low by Jehovah in His due time. {Acts 20: 28, 29} fits them right down to the ground. IT also fits their world wide Elder arrangement. It’s all coming down! It is just a matter of time now. {Isaiah 2: 12.}
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Who teaches us the Bible?
by Bill Parker inwho teaches us the bible?
consider this hypothetical situation.
now they begin to come under a bondage of fear.. this is not fear of god though.
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WHO TEACHES US THE BIBLE?
Consider this hypothetical situation. A group of person’s are gathered together to learn the Bible. For many years they are absorbed in this study. They gain much knowledge. So much so that they begin talking to others about what they have been learning. Imparting their knowledge to others.
Then they begin to grow into a very powerful religious institution. They set themselves up as the only teaching instrument to learn the Bible. They begin to tell others that they are the only religion appointed by God. They tell others that they cannot learn the Bible without their direction.
They become involved in a world-Wide preaching campaign. Every teaching seems to be in full harmony with the Bible. So others join with them and become involved with this preaching activity. All of these others are taught to view them as the only true religion. Why? Because they have been told that it is so. So each one passively accepts everything they are being told as the word of God.
Later on as they progress they develop a method of maintaining their power and control over any who might rise up and disagree with them. This has become necessary because certain ones are beginning to question some of their teachings as their own knowledge advances.
The disfellowshipping process begins with its subsequent practice of marking and shunning. Now out of fear of losing family and friends and marriage mates most passively fall into line. Now they begin to come under a bondage of fear.
This is not fear of God though. It is fear of what man can do to them. Fear of God is cast aside. They have their privileges in this institution now that become the most important things in their lives. They want to be looked up to by other members. So they strive for all of the special privileges offered to them. The males are concerned with being titled Elder. They want the power that that title gives them over other members of the group. Others wish to be titled as “special pioneer” and they desire all of the privileged treatment that goes along with that title. They form their own little clique’s to which others are excluded.
Those whom they deem to be unfit are deprived of any of this special treatment.
When some are disfellowshipped by these Elders all others blindly do as they are told. They mark and shun these individuals to harm them further. They are never informed of all of the facts in each individual case. They do what they do because they are held in that bondage of fear, fear of being marked and shunned themselves.
They are told that a particular publication is the principle teaching agent that their God uses to teach all. They blindly and passively accept that explanation. They actually begin to put this publication ahead of the Bible. Now this publication is “inspired of God and beneficial for teaching for reproving for setting things straight.” They are instructed not to go beyond what this publication states. Doing that will bring them before a judicial committee with the threat of removal if they do not show proper repentance. Again they are held in bondage to fear of being disfellowshipped for disagreeing with anything this publication states.
As the knowledge of some increases because of time and effort put forth by them, they come across scripture’s that they have read before, but never really thought deeply about what they were actually saying. Now suddenly they begin to have meaning to them. They learn about all of the warnings Jesus gave about false prophets. Then it comes to their mind that Jesus warned they would be teaching so close to the truth that “if it were possible they would mislead even the chosen ones.” Matthew 7:15; 24:24. They start to reason within themselves. It is not possible to mislead the chosen ones. But what about me? What about all of the others in this particular institution? Who may not be of that class?
As their studies continue they begin to realize that they have unknowingly been violating scriptural direction, by just passively accepting everything they have been taught as word of God.
They have been reading the words of the Apostle John at Chapter four verse one. They come to realize that because they have been held in bondage of fear they have never applied this direction. They have never “tested” everything that they have been taught, to see if the teachings “originate with God.” They learn that inspired men of old gave them all the freedom to do that. Even more they learn that the Apostle Paul in Romans 12:2 gave them the freedom to “Prove to themselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.”
Now armed with this knowledge they begin to call into question some of this religious institutions teachings. They are then accused of being “independent thinkers”} and threatened with removal, if they do not fall into line. More fear tactics. To frighten them into silence.
They have been taught and believe that since 1914 Jesus has been enthroned on His heavenly throne. One of the scriptures they have been directed to that supports this teaching, is at Daniel 7: 13, 14. Another is at Revelation 12:10. Then in Daniel 7: 9, 10 they have learned that at that time the Ancient of Days had seated himself in His heavenly court, and “the books were opened.” They have also learned that the one who was destined to “Judge the living and the dead” was then appointed to do that judging. Matthew 25: 31, 32. They have been taught that since that time a separating work was going on. Jesus was now employing His power as the appointed Judge.
Now they come to realize that this institution has been running ahead of the ONE seated in His heavenly court and of His appointed judge. Neither of which has made a move yet to remove anyone from this institution. Patience is being exercised in the hopes that “all will attain to repentance”.
Then they, because of that knowledge begin to realize that the practice of disfellowshipping with its ensuing marking and shunning constitutes a running ahead of Jehovah’s heavenly court, now in session.
Now they know that there is something terribly wrong in this institution that makes the claim to “God’s only channel.”
They begin to dig deeper into the Bible and learn about the foretold “Great Apostasy.” They learn that it all started right within the true Christian congregation in the first century. They learn that it was to be exactly the same in their own day.
They now because of what they have experienced while a member of this institution begin to focus more clearly on the words of the Apostle Paul in Acts 20: 29,30. Now they know who the Apostle Paul was talking about in that scripture. They know that in this institution from the top right on down it is running rampant with these foretold “oppressive wolves that would not treat the flock with tenderness.”
Then because of further digging into the Bible they learn that it is Jehovah Himself who does the teaching of each individual through His Holy Spirit. That the credit for that teaching goes to no man. They learn that the principle instrument for teaching is really the Holy Spirit. It is Jehovah who puts His “laws in the minds” of willing individuals. He is the one who” writes them on the hearts.” All that man can do is deliver the message. He can do absolutely nothing else!
Who teaches us the Bible? Only Jehovah does that. After viewing the oppressive tactics of those within the particular institution I am making reference to isn’t it a good thing that He does? 1 John 2:27 Jeremiah 31:33 End.
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Message To The Server!
by Bill Parker inwould you please remove all of my posts from your board!
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ISP;
Iwas talking to some one via E-Mail. He made the comment to me, "that some of the things written on the board might conceivably come back to haunt us." What he meant by that was it was possible that certain Lawyers employed by you know who could be very carefully examinining every word spoken here, with the hope of finding something that they could use to launch a libel suit. Now I do not know for certain that they could even do that. But what if they could? I need a law suit like I need a hole in the head right now. I am doing well just to put a little food on the table. Do you not think that is reason to be concerned, as I obviously am? Of course if someone can put my mind at ease, leave the posts on. If not, take them off. Bill Parker -
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Message To The Server!
by Bill Parker inwould you please remove all of my posts from your board!
bill parker
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Bill Parker
Would you please remove all of my posts from your board! Bill Parker
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Addition To post on Disfellowshipping!
by Bill Parker ini should have closed with the following comnment on my post.. when the clean-up is finally done by the messiah through the angels it will be fair and just.
no one at that time will be able to argue what he does.they will not be able to say it is a cruel practice.
it wasn't in the 1st century as i showed in the article.
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To all:
I feel that we have pretty well beaten this one to death. Time to move on to something else. Whatever that turns out to be. -
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Addition To post on Disfellowshipping!
by Bill Parker ini should have closed with the following comnment on my post.. when the clean-up is finally done by the messiah through the angels it will be fair and just.
no one at that time will be able to argue what he does.they will not be able to say it is a cruel practice.
it wasn't in the 1st century as i showed in the article.
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Bill Parker
You Know:
Time will tell which one of is in over our heads will it not? May it be that you are in for the shock of your life. You will get that shock when Jehovah brings the hotshots in the Society and those little obedient puppets the {ELDERS} to their knees. Lets face it it has to come. All of the arrogant , those who have taken the best seats in the house for themselves are coming down. The Bible says that they are!Will you be among them when they do? Then you are coming down too. A little while longer! Be patient its coming! -
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Addition To post on Disfellowshipping!
by Bill Parker ini should have closed with the following comnment on my post.. when the clean-up is finally done by the messiah through the angels it will be fair and just.
no one at that time will be able to argue what he does.they will not be able to say it is a cruel practice.
it wasn't in the 1st century as i showed in the article.
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Bill Parker
You Know:
Might it possibly be that you are the one Satan has in his clutches?
I present all of my articles not using my own human wisdom. Rather I direct attention to chapter and verse. I allow the Bible to speak for me. You profess to being Christian, then sit down and use your Bible and present your arguement citing as I have Chapter and verse. A logical coherent line of scriptural reasoning is what I expect from someone who professes to bear Jehovah's name. I have listened to only what you have been taught by the Society. I cannot see a scriptural line of reasoning that cannot be refuted in any of your writings. I am able to, given time tear your reasonings to pieces. And I can do that using the Bible. Establish everything that you say at the "mouth of two or three witnesses" 2Corinthians 13:1 Do not just parrot everything that the Society has taught you. Put on your own spiritual thinking cap and use that for a change.By the way one who is as insulting as you are could never be acceptable to Jehovah.That is self deception if you believe otherwise. -
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WAS DISFELLOWSHIPPING FOR CHRISTIANS TODAY?
by Bill Parker inwas disfellowshipping for christians today?.
tuesday, december 11, 2001. .
in an effort to keep this as short as possible i am going to try and focus only a bare minimum of scriptures realizing that no one today appreciates too long a post.. in luke 12:48 these words are found, in part: ... to whom much was given much will be demanded.
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You Know:
Look at Acts 5: 1-12!
Peter was able to read the heart to the extent that he knew Ananias and Sapphira had committed the "sin against the Holy Spirit." They were struck down dead for that sin. No man today has that ability. not you, not the Governing Body, not any so called "older One" or Elder in whatever congregation you can name. They were all instructed to "judge with righteous judgment." {John 7:24} What does that mean? Isaiah 11:3,4 tells you how to do that in imitation of Christ. Read it! Can you do that? In order to do judging the way marked out there in imitation of Christ you would have to be able to read the heart! The early Apostles were empowred to do that. They did! No one today is. Your reasoning is incorrect! The Society has frightened you out of you using your own reasoning abilities. They have in point of fact suceeded in padlocking your mind. AS they have with so many others. None will bother to follow the counsel given in 1 John 4:1. "TEST the inspired expression" How much more so should you test the uninspired expression.? You blindly accept everything the Society teaches you without testing anything. To you it is carved in stone. It is nothing of the kind. "ARE YOU FOR REAL?